Sunday, July 31, 2005

Remembering Robinsons-May

Robinsons-May is one of the ten regional department store nameplates that Federated Department Stores will be phasing out in 2006. Robinsons-May consists of about 60 stores located in Southern California, Arizona, and Nevada.

Reaction to Robinsons-May's demise was pretty muted here in Los Angeles. People here don't feel the same sort of connection to Robinsons-May that people in Chicago have to Marshall Field's. Perhaps that's because Robinsons-May itself is the product of a mega-merger by two out-of-town conglomerates (May and Associated Dry Goods), or because Macy's has already absorbed two other local chains, Bullock's and The Broadway.

I would like to take a few moments to remember Robinsons-May and its predecessors.

A. Hamburger & Sons was arguably the first department store to operate in Los Angeles. In 1908, the company relocated to the brand new 500,000-square-foot building pictured above. The store was located at Broadway and Eighth Street, on what was then considered the edge of Downtown. St. Louis-based May Company acquired Hamburger's in 1923 and renamed it The May Company of California soon after.

J.W. Robinson Company was another early department store in Los Angeles. In 1915, the company relocated to the brand new 400,000-square-foot building pictured above. The store was located at Grand Avenue and Seventh Street, several blocks away from the Broadway shopping district but closer than its competition to the fashionable areas then developing west of Downtown.


May Company and Robinson's both prospered in the 1920's, as did their primary rivals, Bullock's and The Broadway. All four companies operated gigantic stores in Downtown Los Angeles that drew customers from throughout Southern California.

By 1930, Los Angeles had already become the nation's most car-dependent and sprawling urban region. Not only were the department stores' customers moving further and further afield from Downtown, but the concentration of automobiles, street cars, and pedestrians in the central district resulted in intolerable congestion. It was obvious that if Downtown merchants didn't open more car-friendly locations in the suburbs, they'd lose business to competitors who did.

The first branch department store in Los Angeles was Bullock's Wilshire, pictured above. Opening in 1929 a few miles west of Downtown, Bullock's Wilshire included a parking lot for 375 cars and complemented the 740,000-square-foot flagship at Broadway and Seventh Street.

Though Bullock's was the first to "branch out," May Company was far more ambitious in its expansion plans.

May Company opened the brand new 270,000-square-foot store pictured above in 1939, dwarfing Bullock's Wilshire. The store was located at the northeast corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Fairfax Avenue in the "Miracle Mile" district near Beverly Hills. While May's Downtown store remained open, this store replaced it as the "flagship."

May Company continued to expand after World War II. The next branch store was planned for the northwest corner of Crenshaw Boulevard and Santa Barbara Avenue (now known as Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard) -- unlike the Wilshire store, this location was not in an established business district, but on the suburban fringe of rapidly-growing southwest Los Angeles.

The 200,000-square-foot May Company Crenshaw store opened in 1947. Interestingly, it opened directly across the street from a new branch of The Broadway, which was rapidly becoming May's main competitor. The fact that both stores prospered in such close proximity in a "fringe" location hinted at the future success of shopping malls with several competing "anchor" stores.

The Broadway developed a shopping center along with its branch store (May Company did not). This shopping center was a precursor to the modern mall -- its tenant mix was "integrated," meaning that the stores were hand-picked by Broadway to complement its store and provide a full breadth of shopping choices.

The first true shopping mall to open in the Los Angeles region was Lakewood Center, located in the iconic master-planned suburb of Lakewood that was being constructed on farm fields near Long Beach. When the first phase of the mall opened in 1952, it included a 350,000-square-foot May Company branch, pictured above.

In 1954, May Company decided to scrap plans for a branch near Hollywood Boulevard and Vine Street in favor of a more suburban location in the rapidly-urbanizing San Fernando Valley. This drawing of the proposed 420,000-square-foot store at Valley Plaza demonstrates May's early recognition of the importance of access to Southern California's developing freeway network.

Robinson's was slower to expand during these years. Unlike May Company, Bullock's, and The Broadway, Robinson's didn't open any branch stores prior to World War II. After the war, Robinson's opened a branch in posh Beverly Hills but did not embark on an ambitious expansion program like its competitors did.

Robinson's and May Company were both units of national department store companies based elsewhere but they retained their local identities. Los Angeles was an important and growing market; after 1960, both chains anchored many of the new shopping malls popping up throughout Southern California and extended their market area from Santa Barbara in the north to San Diego in the south.

In 1986, May Department Stores, parent company of May Company of California, acquired Associated Dry Goods, parent company of Robinson's. May chose to maintain the chains' seperate identities, perhaps because Robinson's image and stores were generally more upscale than May's.

Associated Dry Goods had also been the parent company of Goldwaters, a chain with stores in Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico. In 1989, May decided to consolidate Goldwaters into other regional chains. Stores in New Mexico and Tucson, Arizona were rebranded as Foley's (the Tucson stores would later revert to Robinsons-May), while stores in Nevada were rebranded as May Company and stores in Phoenix, Arizona were rebranded as Robinson's.

In 1993, May merged its Robinson's and May Company divisions into Robinsons-May. The names on all the stores were changed, although Robinson's had never operated in Nevada and May Company had never operated in Phoenix. There was a fair amount of overlap between the two chains in Southern California, but no stores were closed initially, probably to protect market share against Bullock's and The Broadway. At many malls, Robinsons-May operated two stores, and continues to do so to this day. Some stores were eventually closed, however.

Robinsons-May seemed to have the upper hand in the Los Angeles area for awhile, but its two primary competitors were soon consolidated too. Federated Department Stores acquired R.H. Macy Co. in 1994 and decided to rebrand its Bullock's stores as Macy's the following year. In 1996, Federated acquired Broadway Stores (formerly known as Carter-Hawley-Hale) and The Broadway was also rebranded as Macy's. Robinsons-May and Macy's were now on more-or-less equal footing, co-anchoring many of the region's malls.

Where there once were four major "mid-line" department stores in Los Angeles, now there will be only one: Macy's. It's true that Robinsons-May won't be sorely missed -- the only thing still "local" about the stores these days is the name on the front -- the stores themselves have become so homogenized that there's little to distinguish them from May's other divisions or even from Macy's Southern California stores. However, I salute the decades of Los Angeles retailing history that the name represents. Goodbye, Robinsons-May!

Props to Richard Longstreth, author of "City Center to Regional Mall," which contains much of the information (and some of the photos) displayed in this post. The book is a must-have for anyone who's interested in the growth of Los Angeles.

Note: I will speculate on the effects of the Federated-May merger on the Los Angeles market (i.e. the numerous stores that will be closed) in an upcoming post. I will speculate on the effects of the merger on the Phoenix market in another upcoming post.

23 Comments:

At Sunday, July 31, 2005 7:16:00 PM, Blogger Steven Swain said...

Very informative. I never knew all that about Robinson's and May Company.

 
At Friday, October 14, 2005 10:59:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for publishing your research findings. I just began working for the Fine Jewelry Department at Robinson's May and was astounded to find that Macy's purchased my new employer. I turned to old newspapers for details, but your blog is much more informative than that.

 
At Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:50:00 PM, Anonymous Lorraine said...

Very interesting stuff about the Robinson Co. Do you know what year J.W. Robinson Company actually first started? I am trying to research a piece of pewter that has J.W. Robinson Co, Los Angeles, Cal written on the bottom of it. Thanks for your blog-it has at least helped some.

Lorraine

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Muted! Everyone i know is really upset about our favorite store closing. It's all about having a monoply on retail. It is pushing up prices at this very moment. Greed has taken control, the little guy doesn't have a chance. Women over 50 don't have a place to shop,so, we should all just go naked? Boy that would be something!

 
At Monday, December 05, 2005 5:16:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I wholeheartedly agree with you comments regarding the muted response to loss of Robinson's-May, I fear that the loss of competition is bad for the midrange shopper. While I have avoided both Federated and May Stores for years I wonder who is going to keep Macy's/Bloomingdale's competiitive.
With Wal-Mart, K-mart, and Sears at the bottom and Kohl's and JCPenney just slightly above. NORDSTROM and Neiman-Marcus at the top of the retail spectrum.
Who will compete with the Federated Monster???
As the demise of Saks Fifth Avenue and the Saks Deparment Stores is Imminent.
Who will be left?
Take this to heart contact your congress person, this is a monopoly if ever there was.

Marshall Field's Clients I emplore you find away to keep Federated from doing anything to your beloved State Street Store os I promise you nexy Christmas you'll be looking at blacked out display windows and price scanners just like at K-mart.

Somehoe you have got to get that store out of Federated's hands.

And you can say goodbye to Frango's.

If want to save this important piece of Chicagos History you hve got to take a stand.

 
At Sunday, December 18, 2005 3:00:00 PM, Blogger hushpuppy said...

That was a very interesting and informative post, however, even before WWII other stores had opened small branches: Bullock's opened a Palm Springs branch in 1930 and a small Westwood store in 1932 (that store was replaced by the large Westwood store, now closed, in 1951). The Broadway opened their Hollywood store in the 1920's I believe. You are correct in that it wasn't until after the war that aggressive expansion took hold. So many of those early stores are now gone that the only pre-WWII retailing structure still operating as a retailer is Saks Fifth Avenue in Beverly Hills, which dates to the early 1920's.

 
At Monday, January 16, 2006 4:18:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in Riverside County, Ca. Usually i shop at Tyler..Whithout Robinson's May, there isn't one reason to go to the mall!!! I will not shop at JC Penneys. Macy's is really bad, NY style, fad, and just too teenage. What little they have in the 45 and over dept. really make me laugh! Too expensive, but really ugly!! Nordys? Well, My family doesn't make $150,000.00 a year. Even if i did, i wouldn't spend that much money on clothing. Someone should contact Kristie Brinkly and ask her to build a store just for the Boomer Generation. Right now there isn't one store that caters to us. I hope someone out is listing, my wardrobe is looking really slim.

 
At Monday, January 30, 2006 3:15:00 PM, Anonymous Mary Anne-Lake Arrowhead said...

I have lived in Southern Calif. for
50 years and May Co - Robinson's May has been a wonderful store.

Much better in its merchandising than Macys, which has, in my opinion, failed in the past five years.

What a shame!

 
At Monday, January 30, 2006 3:28:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robinson's May is my second home.
Macy's is too over priced and their customer service is terrible. I am really sad to see Robinson's-May go. I will not shop at Macy's. I don't understand why corporations have to mess things up for everyone, Robinson's is a great store, and they should of left it at that.

 
At Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:17:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whare i'am i going to shop? Not at Tyler in Riverside! Theres nothing left. Does any one sell casual dresses anymore? We are soon to be known as the naked generation!!! No more weekends out with Mom, no whare to hang out! The "Greaties got us now" I love you Robinsons May, so long for now! Hope for a come back...Please bring us Dillirds...

 
At Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:47:00 PM, Blogger BIGMallrat said...

Well written, Mitch. I really enjoyed reading this. I still have a Robinson credit card that I got at their store in Torrance. I also have a May Company credit card, which uses the same font as Macy's. I missed the whole merger due to living outsde their area. Now that Federated bought them, you are doomed to store closures and generic styles (building the country of 'Generica'). Theyll be sorely missed.

 
At Monday, May 22, 2006 11:07:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very nice and most accurate account of May Company's Southern California's roots. Having worked for May Co for 16 years, starting in the Credit Office at the Downtown Robinsons store #1, and later at the May Company Lakewood Credit Center in the Basement, I will always have fond memories of working and shopping at the May Company stores in Lakewood, and South Bay Center. It was sad to see Robinsons-May Lakewood vacate. I think it will reopen as a Macy's later this year. Underneath all the layers of tile and behind many false walls due to numerous phases of remodeling lies the ghost of a grand department store tradition that we will never seen again because of Federated's hunger for Corporate greed. It's a great shame.

 
At Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:18:00 PM, Anonymous Pat W. said...

I wanted to write a letter to the VP of Marketing in response to one I received about the closure; I wanted to tell her they've lost a very good customer, but I have never found anything in Macy's that I've liked. So, I have to go elsewhere, and it's beginning to look as though "elsewhere" is "on line".......

 
At Saturday, July 15, 2006 12:35:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They (Macy"s)said they would "grandfather" (Rob-May) employee's if we were in "good standing" Well full timers worked 37.5 hrs per wk and paid $100 a month for the best Med. coverage at Rob-May. Macy's 37.5 hr a wk job turns out to be 30 hrs a wk cost to ("grandfthrd") emploe approx. $4000 per yr lost wages. Macy's best Med.Ins.cost $162 per month add'l cost to(grandfthrd)
employee, $740 per yr lost wages.
Total wage loss $4,740. Rob-May
gave 3 day weekend off every 3 wks. Macy's "said" they did that every 4 wks. I have yet to receive 3 days off in a row, let alone a 3 day weekend and I have been here a very long time. Rob-May gave their employee's 25% discount, Macy's gives 20%. Their so-called Sls. Associates are nothing but Dressing Room cleaners and they have "ringers" at the register, so where is the service for the customer? I have no pride in this job. Very disappointed Macy Employee

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 12:28:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very interesting article on the history of what had been some very fine stores in the Los Angeles area! Thank you! I grew up in SF Valley, and my mother, sister and I would meet my Gramma, every Month-End, at Robinson's #1 in downtown for their famous Month-End Clearance sales! Thrilling times of great bargains and riding in wonderful, operator driven elevators ("5th Floor, Lingerie...."), and lunch in the restuarant on the 7th floor. I originally turned to this article because I was trying to date a stainless steel employee name badge, which does not name the employee, but rather, bears the name of J. W. Robinson Co. It had belonged to my Grandfather, and family tradition holds that he and one of my uncle's had installed the downtown Los Angeles Robinson's store's 1st telephone swsitchboard system. Does anyone out there have any idea of when that might have been? To be honest, my best guess would be somewhere perhaps just before WWII (?), but that is really just a wild guess. Also, of note, an earlier post asked how long JWR had been around, and while I do not have the definitive answer, I remember working at the branch store in Woodland Hills, CA back in 1973-74ish, and somewhere around then we celebrated JWR's 90th anniversary. Hope that sort of helps! :)

 
At Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:04:00 PM, Anonymous A. H. said...

I miss Robinson's May sooooo much! They had such a great selection! I've walked thru Macy's about 5 times since they "took over", and there is absolutely nothing in there that appeals to me. The sales are poor, and it seems that they only cater to the under 30 crowd. I wish that R-M would some how come back some day. So sad.....

 
At Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:13:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I moved to Bangor, Maine in 1998. Filene's had just opened a store here and a lot of people were glad that the New England store with so much history had opened here to give them another option. Although Filene's looked just like any other May store, it still had the name that meant something here in New England. (My grandmother worked in the housewares department in Boston in the 1920's.)

Now it is Macy's and I will not shop there. I don't think that I will be like the other trained rats who will still shop there because it's where Filene's was. There aren't many options here in Bangor, but if I won't shop at Wal-Mart, then I shouldn't shop at Macy's.

Dave in Maine

 
At Monday, December 10, 2007 11:58:00 PM, Blogger Steve Carras said...

Hey, Mitch, nice to see you over on "Mall Hall of Fame" blog! I must say, that of course the "renamed Robinsons-May" is not the only with several stores in ne center..Dillards has two in one center in Kansas City by where my relatives are.

Interesting The South Coast Plaza and other older May Co.'s still kept their archetecture---the one in Lakewood now (2007) may be the ONLY one that still has its original (1952) architecture.

THIS, of course, WHILE having the newer names (Robinsons-May, and I think as I found on Mall Hall of Fame blog where we've both posted, Macy now.)

Too bad about Woolworth, Broadway and others that recently closed in the last 15 years. All of these were operated by still active employers (except maybe the Carter, Hawley, & Hale, stores,. the owner of "The Broadway").

The May Co. was also 19 years estables [1877] before the Broadway [1896], too.

 
At Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:34:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I miss Robinsons May! I worked for Rob May years ago before I had my girls and I always shopped there never anywhere else. They always had the cutest clothes for kids at the best prices and they had a fantastic sale every month. I never shopped at Macy's before since they were too expensive for me and the clothes were not to my taste. Now our local mall has two macy's which makes things quite confusing and it seems to me like a huge waste of space. Easter is approaching and I am starting my search for easter dresses and am really wishing that Robinsons May was still here.

 
At Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:18:00 PM, Anonymous Steve Carras said...

Remember even with whaever troubles Macys may bring (and they have several "types"--of stores--including, in So.Cal, anyhow, a Ladies and Home version--would you rather see stores like the Crenshaw, Lakewood,etc.go? At least those stores were not demolished like other branches (same with C'Shaw Broadway, now a three level Target).

Here in Whittier the May Co. was demlosued by an earthqauke twenty years ago and already out of business while the Braodway was taken over by its equal, Sears, in the same buidling (only wish May Co.had survied the quake, at least we would have the freaking building--thye and B'Way had been rivals for years as Mitch pointed out, which made the mutual, Macy's buyout ironic..:_)))

I sitll share your pain, fellow rears/posters.

 
At Friday, April 04, 2008 8:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Steve, that's a 3-LEVEL WALMART! in Crenshaw, not even a Target, i do miss Robinsons May, i actually work for Macy's in my local Mall, The Promenade in Temecula, and when they closed the Rob-May to turn it into another Macy's (Home and Mens) i was both happy and sadden, i spent may happy afternoons at Robinsons May...actually i have the directory that Rob-May used to have, both as May and Macy's, but dang it, i have no scanner, so i can't share them...by the way, anyone know what Robinson's May's iMAGINATION! dept. used to sell, am a dude! and that was womens clothing, not my area!!!

 
At Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:59:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just like so many others I know, I really miss Robinsons-May. I have tried to give Macy's a chance, but they seem to cater to the young, thin, and apparently wealthy. The things I miss the most are shoes and purses. Robinsons always had great shoe sales with lots to choose from. I used to go to the mall once a month. Now its more like once a year. We miss Robinsons!!!

San Diego

 
At Friday, June 27, 2008 2:20:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I worked for Associated Dry Goods, JW Robinson's parent, in the early 1980's, and the chain was our largest and most profitable of the 16 regional department store chains we operated. Lord & Taylor was our showpiece but not considered a true dept store, even then.

The Pasadena and Beverly Hills stores were both outstanding, with Beverly Hills being considered the flagship store and featuring a grand piano played for shoppers decades before Nordstrom came to town.

The big downtown store on Seventh Street, which is still there as an office or apartment building, was suffering the effects of the declining inner city but still flew the flag. Huge sales floors with high ceilings, always sparking clean and professionally managed. The main floor was an Art Moderne showpiece despite some heavy-handed renovations.

JW Robinson's incorporation into May Company was in name only, the upper-end Robinson's merchandise went away shortly after the May Company purchase.

 

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